the green room: unrated x Primary (5/5/25)

Monday, May 5, 2025 5-8pm PT
New York City

We hosted the first of a new event series Iโ€™m calling ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™œ๐™ง๐™š๐™š๐™ฃ ๐™ง๐™ค๐™ค๐™ข: ๐™ช๐™ฃ๐™ง๐™–๐™ฉ๐™š๐™™.

In partnership with some of North Americaโ€™s top VC firms, ๐™ฉ๐™œ๐™ง: ๐™ช๐™ฃ๐™ง๐™–๐™ฉ๐™š๐™™ is a space for the kind of no-bullsh*t conversations that only happen outside the boardroom โ€” honest, tactical, and off the record.

We kicked things off with our friends at Primary Venture Partners, featuring a keynote by Primary co-founder Benjamin Sun and a candid fireside chat between Jason Shuman (GP at Primary) and Andres Klaric (co-founder & co-CEO at Fuse).

Lots of sharp advice for founders. Here are a few highlights โ€” and if you were in the room, feel free to add yours:

๐—” ๐—ด๐—ผ๐—ผ๐—ฑ ๐—ถ๐—ฑ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ป๐—ผ๐˜ ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ด๐—ต. You might be right that your product is the best โ€” but venture outcomes arenโ€™t just about truth, theyโ€™re about timing and belief. Market sentiment sets valuation, and if youโ€™re reliant on outside capital, youโ€™re exposed to those swings. Storytelling matters more than ever.

โ€œ๐—ฌ๐—ผ๐˜‚โ€™๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—ด๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐—ธ๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ ๐—น๐—ผ๐˜ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐˜‚๐—บ๐—ฝ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€ โ€” ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—บ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—บ ๐˜„๐—ถ๐—น๐—น ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ ๐˜„๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ด.โ€ Thatโ€™s a direct quote from Ben. The best founders are relentlessly curious and maniacal about learning. Primary looks for people who can adapt quickly, not just dream big.

๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ผ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ถ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—น๐—ฒ โ€” ๐—ฒ๐—บ๐—ฏ๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ ๐—ถ๐˜. If you want to build something venture-scale, youโ€™ll need to let go of the original dream at some point. Listen to the market. Trade purity for clarity.

๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฌ ๐—ฐ๐˜‚๐˜€๐˜๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐˜€ ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ผ ๐—น๐—ผ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ โ€” ๐—ป๐—ผ๐˜ ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ผ ๐—ท๐˜‚๐˜€๐˜ ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ธ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚. That early love is your signal. Donโ€™t chase weak interest at scale โ€” chase strong conviction in small groups.

๐—ฃ๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ ๐—ฝ๐—ถ๐˜๐—ฐ๐—ต โ€” ๐—ถ๐˜โ€™๐˜€ ๐—ฎ ๐—บ๐˜‚๐˜€๐—ฐ๐—น๐—ฒ. Youโ€™re not going to nail it the first time. Or the tenth. But it gets better every time you tell it. Your pitch is a living thing โ€” keep evolving it.

๐—–๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ ๐—ท๐—ฎ๐˜„-๐—ฑ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ฒ๐˜…๐—ฝ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ€” ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐˜†๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฒ. One standout example: a founder in Korea made his team do interviews with developers at cafรฉs โ€” then he would โ€œdrop byโ€ unexpectedly to make candidates feel special. When they wanted to hire someone, theyโ€™d hand-deliver flowers to that personโ€™s parents to win buy-in. Thatโ€™s how you create moments people donโ€™t forget โ€” even internally.


Huge thanks to Gabriella Monico for being an excellent collaborator and co-host and to everyone who came out. Weโ€™ll be doing more ๐™ฉ๐™œ๐™ง: ๐™ช๐™ฃ๐™ง๐™–๐™ฉ๐™š๐™™ sessions, so DM me if you want to partner on one and/or attend the next one!